Discussion:
Looking for SS-5 or U1/2 in Germany or thereabouts
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unix_fan
2007-03-07 14:13:46 UTC
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I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
unix_fan
2007-03-07 19:51:23 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?

What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?

I need them for a synchronous communications task. Actually, only one
needs to run solaris ... but I guess the X.25 support under Linux is...
incomplete.
cosmos
2007-03-07 20:19:40 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
they are worth about $5 and in most cases someone might pay you to take an SS5 or U1 away...

they are not comparable to new hardware they are 10+ years old.
Post by unix_fan
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
Sparcstation 5 and Ultra1/Ultra2
Claus Dragon
2007-03-07 20:18:59 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth?
SS-5 is worth shipping, as are the other two .. well, depending on the
configuration of course. a 2x400mhz U2 with full Ram should be worth
some money, quite some money in fact.
Post by unix_fan
You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
Just say somewhere between 10 to 15 years.
Post by unix_fan
what does old iron go for?
By now, next to nothing.
Post by unix_fan
And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
They dont.
Post by unix_fan
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
Ultra 1, Ultra 2, SparcStation 5.

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Thomas Tornblom
2007-03-07 21:14:06 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
I need them for a synchronous communications task. Actually, only one
needs to run solaris ... but I guess the X.25 support under Linux is...
incomplete.
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.

For you synchronous experiments, you can also look for u30/u60 as well
as a lot of other systems of the same vintage.

There are both u10:s, u:2s and u60:s on German Ebay.

I would avoid the u1:s, and also u2:s slower than 250 MHz as they will
not boot Solaris 10, due to the UltraSparc-I processor being
unsupported in solaris 10 and above.

EUR 50 each seems to be the going rate for u10:s :-)
Alex van Denzel
2007-03-07 23:41:59 UTC
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.
Be careful tho, the Ultra-5 and Ultra-10 (basically the same machine)
have PCI expansion slots. The SparcStation-5, Ultra-1 and Ultra-2 have
SBus. Hardware requirements may force you the former, or the latter. For
instance, if you have have this bunch of SBus X.25 cards, you can't use
them in Ultra-5 or -10.

--
Alex.
Thomas Tornblom
2007-03-08 07:18:32 UTC
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Post by Alex van Denzel
Post by Thomas Tornblom
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.
Be careful tho, the Ultra-5 and Ultra-10 (basically the same machine)
have PCI expansion slots. The SparcStation-5, Ultra-1 and Ultra-2 have
SBus. Hardware requirements may force you the former, or the
latter. For instance, if you have have this bunch of SBus X.25 cards,
you can't use them in Ultra-5 or -10.
--
Alex.
Given the recent discussion in another group, I believe he wants to use
the onboard serial ports for X.25, and many more modern low end system
are then out of the question as they lack uarts with synchronous
capability.

AFAIK only the old systems with "zs" and "se" onboard serial are
capable of hdlc.
unix_fan
2007-03-08 08:31:41 UTC
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
Post by Alex van Denzel
Post by Thomas Tornblom
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.
Be careful tho, the Ultra-5 and Ultra-10 (basically the same machine)
have PCI expansion slots. The SparcStation-5, Ultra-1 and Ultra-2 have
SBus. Hardware requirements may force you the former, or the
latter. For instance, if you have have this bunch of SBus X.25 cards,
you can't use them in Ultra-5 or -10.
--
Alex.
Given the recent discussion in another group, I believe he wants to use
the onboard serial ports for X.25,
Right. And it looks like it should be quite a bit cheaper to buy an old
ss5 or u1/2 than a new T1000 and SunHSI card to do it. But the OS might
be a problem... I imagine an old box like that will have the OS
"preinstalled", so-to-speak.

Sorry for the nice salesman who almost had me talked into a T1000 -
until we started talking about X.25...
Post by Thomas Tornblom
... and many more modern low end system
are then out of the question as they lack uarts with synchronous
capability.
AFAIK only the old systems with "zs" and "se" onboard serial are
capable of hdlc.
Ah, but will they have usable software? ... I guess if they support
hdlc, they'll have to have a way of using it - the Transport Layer
Interface is at least as old as those machines are....


Since price doesn't seem like it's going to be a determining factor,
which machine has the best performance/box-size ratio?
Thomas Tornblom
2007-03-08 10:25:56 UTC
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
AFAIK only the old systems with "zs" and "se" onboard serial are
capable of hdlc.
Ah, but will they have usable software? ... I guess if they support
hdlc, they'll have to have a way of using it - the Transport Layer
Interface is at least as old as those machines are....
Not likely included.

You would probably need something like Solstice OSI, which
unfortunately is not free.
Post by unix_fan
Since price doesn't seem like it's going to be a determining factor,
which machine has the best performance/box-size ratio?
I guess cpu speed and memory size would be the deciding factors.
The u5/u10 also use commodity PC memory and IDE disks (< 128G), which
probably helps to keep cost down.
Huge
2007-03-08 14:01:32 UTC
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
Post by unix_fan
Post by Thomas Tornblom
AFAIK only the old systems with "zs" and "se" onboard serial are
capable of hdlc.
Ah, but will they have usable software? ... I guess if they support
hdlc, they'll have to have a way of using it - the Transport Layer
Interface is at least as old as those machines are....
Not likely included.
You would probably need something like Solstice OSI, which
unfortunately is not free.
Post by unix_fan
Since price doesn't seem like it's going to be a determining factor,
which machine has the best performance/box-size ratio?
I guess cpu speed and memory size would be the deciding factors.
The u5/u10 also use commodity PC memory and IDE disks (< 128G), which
probably helps to keep cost down.
If you're going to use them as routers/firewalls, performance is
largely irrelevant. Until recently, my firewall was a SPARCstation
20, which even when handling VOIP calls showed no measurable amount
of CPU load.
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who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this
or that problem will never be solved by science.
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unix_fan
2007-03-08 14:18:46 UTC
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Post by Huge
Post by Thomas Tornblom
Post by unix_fan
Post by Thomas Tornblom
AFAIK only the old systems with "zs" and "se" onboard serial are
capable of hdlc.
Ah, but will they have usable software? ... I guess if they support
hdlc, they'll have to have a way of using it - the Transport Layer
Interface is at least as old as those machines are....
Not likely included.
You would probably need something like Solstice OSI, which
unfortunately is not free.
Post by unix_fan
Since price doesn't seem like it's going to be a determining factor,
which machine has the best performance/box-size ratio?
I guess cpu speed and memory size would be the deciding factors.
The u5/u10 also use commodity PC memory and IDE disks (< 128G), which
probably helps to keep cost down.
If you're going to use them as routers/firewalls, performance is
largely irrelevant. Until recently, my firewall was a SPARCstation
20, which even when handling VOIP calls showed no measurable amount
of CPU load.
What VOIP software do you use?

My problem is I can't relate the product names to box dimensions.
I don't want to buy a 19" rack if I can avoid it ... (or maybe I
do - I always wanted to have my own 19" rack - even as a kid)
Huge
2007-03-08 15:10:53 UTC
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Post by Huge
Post by Thomas Tornblom
Post by unix_fan
Post by Thomas Tornblom
AFAIK only the old systems with "zs" and "se" onboard serial are
capable of hdlc.
Ah, but will they have usable software? ... I guess if they support
hdlc, they'll have to have a way of using it - the Transport Layer
Interface is at least as old as those machines are....
Not likely included.
You would probably need something like Solstice OSI, which
unfortunately is not free.
Post by unix_fan
Since price doesn't seem like it's going to be a determining factor,
which machine has the best performance/box-size ratio?
I guess cpu speed and memory size would be the deciding factors.
The u5/u10 also use commodity PC memory and IDE disks (< 128G), which
probably helps to keep cost down.
If you're going to use them as routers/firewalls, performance is
largely irrelevant. Until recently, my firewall was a SPARCstation
20, which even when handling VOIP calls showed no measurable amount
of CPU load.
What VOIP software do you use?
Skype and Cisco. For personal and professional use, respectively.
Post by unix_fan
My problem is I can't relate the product names to box dimensions.
I don't want to buy a 19" rack if I can avoid it ... (or maybe I
do - I always wanted to have my own 19" rack - even as a kid)
An Ultra 1/2 is small suitcase sized. Ultra 5 & 10s are minitowers. The
dimensions/weights will all be on the Sun web site. None of them are
rack mount.
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Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those
who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this
or that problem will never be solved by science.
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unix_fan
2007-03-08 08:11:40 UTC
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
Post by unix_fan
Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
I need them for a synchronous communications task. Actually, only one
needs to run solaris ... but I guess the X.25 support under Linux is...
incomplete.
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.
For you synchronous experiments, you can also look for u30/u60 as well
as a lot of other systems of the same vintage.
There are both u10:s, u:2s and u60:s on German Ebay.
I would avoid the u1:s, and also u2:s slower than 250 MHz as they will
not boot Solaris 10, due to the UltraSparc-I processor being
unsupported in solaris 10 and above.
EUR 50 each seems to be the going rate for u10:s :-)
:)

Thank you for the detailed advice.
unix_fan
2007-03-12 14:19:59 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
I need them for a synchronous communications task. Actually, only one
needs to run solaris ... but I guess the X.25 support under Linux is...
incomplete.
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.
I've had some excellent help on this thread already, thank you, everybody.

Now I have an opportunity to buy a U2 for 100 Euros, which is fine, but
will it run Solaris 10? If not, what will it run? I remember from the
old days that Sun's were fast - but when I see specs in the 100-200 MHz
range, I think of Linux on my 400 MHz linux, and I wonder if I can
do real work with it.

My (scaled-down) goal at this point is to be able to generate .o files
that I can link on a SunFile into an executable with Solstice libraries.
Will I be able to do that on the U2?

I'll do initial testing locally using stubs and simulation.

Will I be able to get OS and a C compiler for the U2?

Thanks in advance.
unix_fan
2007-03-12 14:42:21 UTC
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
Post by unix_fan
Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
I need them for a synchronous communications task. Actually, only one
needs to run solaris ... but I guess the X.25 support under Linux is...
incomplete.
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.
I've had some excellent help on this thread already, thank you, everybody.
Now I have an opportunity to buy a U2 for 100 Euros, which is fine, but
will it run Solaris 10? If not, what will it run? I remember from the
old days that Sun's were fast - but when I see specs in the 100-200 MHz
range, I think of Linux on my 400 MHz linux, and I wonder if I can
do real work with it.
My (scaled-down) goal at this point is to be able to generate .o files
that I can link on a SunFile into an executable with Solstice libraries.
Will I be able to do that on the U2?
I'll do initial testing locally using stubs and simulation.
Will I be able to get OS and a C compiler for the U2?
Thanks in advance.
So, I looked a bit more on the Sun page and came up this this:

Q: Can I run Solaris Express on my Ultra 2? It has dual 200mhz cpu's...
not sure if the 200mhz limit stated in the requirements is per CPU
or per machine. (By the way the machine has 384megs of RAM and
dual fast/wide SCSI).

A: Systems containing 200MHz or lower UltraSPARC-I processors boot
32-bit kernel by default. Therefore when we remove 32-bit kernel, it
makes logical sense to EOL sun4u, UltraSPARC-I 167Mhz and 200MHz
platforms support. Those processors will be almost 10 years old when
Solaris 10 ships. This includes all Ultra-1 workstations, as well as the
Ultra-2 box you have, as these platforms shipped with UltraSPARC-I
processors at or slower than 200MHz.


Doesn't sound good. Are all U2's 32-bit machines? The answer is a
bit ambiguous.

Are there any U5's around? What do they go for?
Josh McKee
2007-03-12 20:21:51 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
Post by Thomas Tornblom
Post by unix_fan
Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
I need them for a synchronous communications task. Actually, only one
needs to run solaris ... but I guess the X.25 support under Linux is...
incomplete.
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.
I've had some excellent help on this thread already, thank you, everybody.
Now I have an opportunity to buy a U2 for 100 Euros, which is fine, but
will it run Solaris 10? If not, what will it run? I remember from the
old days that Sun's were fast - but when I see specs in the 100-200 MHz
range, I think of Linux on my 400 MHz linux, and I wonder if I can
do real work with it.
My (scaled-down) goal at this point is to be able to generate .o files
that I can link on a SunFile into an executable with Solstice libraries.
Will I be able to do that on the U2?
I'll do initial testing locally using stubs and simulation.
Will I be able to get OS and a C compiler for the U2?
Thanks in advance.
Q: Can I run Solaris Express on my Ultra 2? It has dual 200mhz cpu's...
not sure if the 200mhz limit stated in the requirements is per CPU
or per machine. (By the way the machine has 384megs of RAM and
dual fast/wide SCSI).
A: Systems containing 200MHz or lower UltraSPARC-I processors boot
32-bit kernel by default. Therefore when we remove 32-bit kernel, it
makes logical sense to EOL sun4u, UltraSPARC-I 167Mhz and 200MHz
platforms support. Those processors will be almost 10 years old when
Solaris 10 ships. This includes all Ultra-1 workstations, as well as the
Ultra-2 box you have, as these platforms shipped with UltraSPARC-I
processors at or slower than 200MHz.
Doesn't sound good. Are all U2's 32-bit machines? The answer is a
bit ambiguous.
The Ultra 2 is a 64 bit capable system. The restriction comes from the
UltraSparc I processor (which is 64 bit but unsupported in Solaris 10).
U2's with UltraSparc II processors can run Solaris 10 fine. U2's with
UltraSparc I processors can run Solaris 10 if you swap out the
processor(s) for UltraSparc II's.

Josh
Thomas Tornblom
2007-03-12 20:58:22 UTC
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I have an old U2 that started its life with 2 200 MHz Ultra Sparc I
processors, which would have been unsupported with solaris 10 and
express. It has been upgraded with 2 400 MHz processors, and runs s10
and express just fine.

So avoid anything with 200 MHz and slower processors.
unix_fan
2007-03-12 21:54:40 UTC
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
I have an old U2 that started its life with 2 200 MHz Ultra Sparc I
processors, which would have been unsupported with solaris 10 and
express. It has been upgraded with 2 400 MHz processors, and runs s10
and express just fine.
So avoid anything with 200 MHz and slower processors.
Thanks for the info, guys.

What's an UltraSparc II Processor worth? I mean, realistically
obtainable for?

I looked at one outfit, and they didn't give prices - you could make
a "request", but it wasn't clear if you were requesting prices, or
the items - in that you had to give all shipping and paying info up
front. :)
Josh McKee
2007-03-12 23:57:43 UTC
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
I have an old U2 that started its life with 2 200 MHz Ultra Sparc I
processors, which would have been unsupported with solaris 10 and
express. It has been upgraded with 2 400 MHz processors, and runs s10
and express just fine.
So avoid anything with 200 MHz and slower processors.
Thanks for the info, guys.
What's an UltraSparc II Processor worth? I mean, realistically
obtainable for?
I looked at one outfit, and they didn't give prices - you could make
a "request", but it wasn't clear if you were requesting prices, or
the items - in that you had to give all shipping and paying info up
front. :)
It's worth what you're willing to pay. But I wouldn't pay much for one.
I just gave away a 400MHz processor that works with the Ultra 2. The
most common USII processor for the Ultra 2 is the 300MHz part. They
should be easy to come by for cheap. I bought an entire Ultra 2 system
with two of these processors for $15 a couple of years ago.

Josh
unix_fan
2007-03-13 06:04:49 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
Post by Thomas Tornblom
I have an old U2 that started its life with 2 200 MHz Ultra Sparc I
processors, which would have been unsupported with solaris 10 and
express. It has been upgraded with 2 400 MHz processors, and runs s10
and express just fine.
So avoid anything with 200 MHz and slower processors.
Thanks for the info, guys.
What's an UltraSparc II Processor worth? I mean, realistically
obtainable for?
I looked at one outfit, and they didn't give prices - you could make
a "request", but it wasn't clear if you were requesting prices, or
the items - in that you had to give all shipping and paying info up
front. :)
It's worth what you're willing to pay. But I wouldn't pay much for one.
I just gave away a 400MHz processor that works with the Ultra 2. The
most common USII processor for the Ultra 2 is the 300MHz part. They
should be easy to come by for cheap. I bought an entire Ultra 2 system
with two of these processors for $15 a couple of years ago.
Josh
Okay, good. Thank you.

It sounds like I can go down this road and get a system that
meets my needs without getting to a place - after investing
a lot of time - where I then need to invest a lot of money, too.
Josh McKee
2007-03-13 21:01:35 UTC
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Post by Josh McKee
Post by unix_fan
Post by Thomas Tornblom
I have an old U2 that started its life with 2 200 MHz Ultra Sparc I
processors, which would have been unsupported with solaris 10 and
express. It has been upgraded with 2 400 MHz processors, and runs s10
and express just fine.
So avoid anything with 200 MHz and slower processors.
Thanks for the info, guys.
What's an UltraSparc II Processor worth? I mean, realistically
obtainable for?
I looked at one outfit, and they didn't give prices - you could make
a "request", but it wasn't clear if you were requesting prices, or
the items - in that you had to give all shipping and paying info up
front. :)
It's worth what you're willing to pay. But I wouldn't pay much for one.
I just gave away a 400MHz processor that works with the Ultra 2. The
most common USII processor for the Ultra 2 is the 300MHz part. They
should be easy to come by for cheap. I bought an entire Ultra 2 system
with two of these processors for $15 a couple of years ago.
Josh
Okay, good. Thank you.
It sounds like I can go down this road and get a system that
meets my needs without getting to a place - after investing
a lot of time - where I then need to invest a lot of money, too.
The kinds of systems you're looking for can be had for very little
money. Possibly free. I gave away a fully loaded Ultra 5 (400MHz, 512MB,
20GB HD) a few months back. While such a configuration could probably
fetch a few dollars lower end configurations should easily go for free.
Have you tried Craigs List?

Josh
unix_fan
2007-03-22 12:01:36 UTC
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Post by Josh McKee
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
I have an old U2 that started its life with 2 200 MHz Ultra Sparc I
processors, which would have been unsupported with solaris 10 and
express. It has been upgraded with 2 400 MHz processors, and runs s10
and express just fine.
So avoid anything with 200 MHz and slower processors.
Thanks for the info, guys.
What's an UltraSparc II Processor worth? I mean, realistically
obtainable for?
I looked at one outfit, and they didn't give prices - you could make
a "request", but it wasn't clear if you were requesting prices, or
the items - in that you had to give all shipping and paying info up
front. :)
It's worth what you're willing to pay. But I wouldn't pay much for one.
I just gave away a 400MHz processor that works with the Ultra 2. The
most common USII processor for the Ultra 2 is the 300MHz part. They
should be easy to come by for cheap. I bought an entire Ultra 2 system
with two of these processors for $15 a couple of years ago.
Josh
Okay, good. Thank you.
It sounds like I can go down this road and get a system that
meets my needs without getting to a place - after investing
a lot of time - where I then need to invest a lot of money, too.
The kinds of systems you're looking for can be had for very little
money. Possibly free. I gave away a fully loaded Ultra 5 (400MHz, 512MB,
20GB HD) a few months back. While such a configuration could probably
fetch a few dollars lower end configurations should easily go for free.
Have you tried Craigs List?
Josh
Actually, I don't like Ebay, but because everybody said I should look
there, I did a quick check and found a Sun-Blade-1000 for 225 Euros
from an instant-sale-shop (or whatever they call it) out of the next
village here in the German countryside. I just drove over and picked it
up. 1 Gig of main memory, 38 Gig drive, 750 MHz. processor. It's real
nice. Sorry for my misleading query for the U5.

B. Wright
2007-03-13 06:21:01 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
A: Systems containing 200MHz or lower UltraSPARC-I processors boot
32-bit kernel by default. Therefore when we remove 32-bit kernel, it
makes logical sense to EOL sun4u, UltraSPARC-I 167Mhz and 200MHz
platforms support. Those processors will be almost 10 years old when
Solaris 10 ships. This includes all Ultra-1 workstations, as well as the
Ultra-2 box you have, as these platforms shipped with UltraSPARC-I
processors at or slower than 200MHz.
Doesn't sound good. Are all U2's 32-bit machines? The answer is a
bit ambiguous.
Are there any U5's around? What do they go for?
No, none are 32 bit machines, they are all 64 bit. The problem
is that the UltraSPARC-I CPU had a bug which was only exploitable in 64
bit mode, so they disabled by default booting the 64 bit OS for those.
You could force it into 64 bit mode though and there may be (or maybe
not!) some easy way to force S10 to boot still with those old CPUs,
look around. If it's a public system though the bug was exploitable by
userland code and would freeze the system solid, probably not what you
want. If it's your home machine and you trust everything running on it
you probably don't care so much.
Kyle D
2007-03-12 14:44:03 UTC
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The Sol10 requirements are 250MHz cpu and 256meg ram. I have a dozen
u2's with dual 300mhzs and 1gig or more and they run solaris10 fine.
All this info is on suns site(http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/
specs.jsp).
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Post by Thomas Tornblom
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Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
I need them for a synchronous communications task. Actually, only one
needs to run solaris ... but I guess the X.25 support under Linux is...
incomplete.
I suggest you get some u5:s instead of ss-5. The ss5 is really old, and
only runs up to Solaris 9, IIRC, while the u5/u10 will run even the
latest os.
I've had some excellent help on this thread already, thank you, everybody.
Now I have an opportunity to buy a U2 for 100 Euros, which is fine, but
will it run Solaris 10? If not, what will it run? I remember from the
old days that Sun's were fast - but when I see specs in the 100-200 MHz
range, I think of Linux on my 400 MHz linux, and I wonder if I can
do real work with it.
My (scaled-down) goal at this point is to be able to generate .o files
that I can link on a SunFile into an executable with Solstice libraries.
Will I be able to do that on the U2?
I'll do initial testing locally using stubs and simulation.
Will I be able to get OS and a C compiler for the U2?
Thanks in advance.
Huge
2007-03-12 14:49:07 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
Now I have an opportunity to buy a U2 for 100 Euros, which is fine, but
will it run Solaris 10?
Yes.
Post by unix_fan
If not, what will it run? I remember from the
old days that Sun's were fast - but when I see specs in the 100-200 MHz
range, I think of Linux on my 400 MHz linux, and I wonder if I can
do real work with it.
I only gave my U2 away a few weeks ago. Admittedly, I was using it
as a file server rather than a desktop, but it was OK.
Post by unix_fan
My (scaled-down) goal at this point is to be able to generate .o files
that I can link on a SunFile into an executable with Solstice libraries.
Will I be able to do that on the U2?
Yep.
Post by unix_fan
I'll do initial testing locally using stubs and simulation.
Will I be able to get OS and a C compiler for the U2?
Yep. Both downloadable for free from Sun. Or gcc is easily available.
--
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those
who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this
or that problem will never be solved by science.
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Huge
2007-03-08 09:03:03 UTC
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Post by unix_fan
I'm looking for SS-5 or U1/2 Sun boxes. If you know where I can get one
(two), reasonably priced, not necessarily very new (but working), I'd
appreciate a tip.
Also, what are these boxes worth? You can get a nice looking T1000 new
from Sun for 2300 Euros. I take it that the SS-5 and U1/2 are older boxes...
what does old iron go for? And how do they compare, performance-wise to
a t1000?
What does SS-5 and U1/2 stand for, BTW?
SPARCstation 5 and Ultra 1/2

And I gave both my SS5 and Ultra 1 away.
--
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those
who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this
or that problem will never be solved by science.
[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
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